i blame cpanel for the downfall of the webhosting industry - Page 2

nsusa · (#10 (**permalink**))

It's not the hosts responsibility to do this. If you start regulating too many things, you limiting free business. A business run in an unprofessional way will fail - sooner or later. I think it is necessary so that customers accept the fact that quality has its price. What you are looking for, is the perfect business environment - regulated down to the last thing. No, thanks. I have seen this in other countries where I lived before. If the government puts too much regulations onto a business, it will bring down the economy (worst case).What you are asking for, is just not reasonable.

If these kiddie hosts are a problem for your business, you should re-define your target group or go into a different industry. Complaining and blaming others is not solving the problem. Build up your business to be better and show why it is worth to host with you and not with a teenager.

Chris

ToOnZ · (#11 (**permalink**))

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Originally Posted by nsusa

Blaming a technology for a non-existing downfall of an industry is not right. It sounds more like cheap complaining and whining and that you are not able to separate yourself from the dark side of the industry.

No matter what business or industry you're in - there will always be a certain kind of competition to complain about. A good business will know how to separate itself from this competition and take advantage of it. Others keep complaining to cover up their own short comings.

Chris

Good point Chris :appl:

ub3r · (#12 (**permalink**))

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ub3r think of how many clients I would loose if I had to do that! I would narrow down some competition but still too much work invovled with that plan. Back to the drawning board lol

well, can't you just help to think that you are contributing to the downfall of the industry?

webmultitude · (#13 (**permalink**))

There is no "downfall".

A few bad eggs won't spoil the rest.

bright-byte · (#14 (**permalink**))

I can't believe you people, first of all were and when did the hosting industry start to decline?, this year so far has been better than any previous year for us, secondly where do you get off putting all young business people into this "Kiddy" label believe me there are just as many mature hosting providers out there selling ridiculously under priced packages and offering substandard support as there are teenagers.

Lets face it the hosting industry is just like any other it has it's good and bad however to say that the bad is only made up of teenagers is ludicrous and to blame software is just plain laughable ( Old Saying: A good mechanic never blames his tool ).

If your business has declined you have absolutely no one else to blame except yourself this goes for everyone including me. So go take a look in the mirror dust off the chip on your shoulder and start making changes to improve your business, because that is how you will succeed in any industry, you will get no where fast by blaming everyone or everything else for your problems.

Trifolic · (#15 (**permalink**))

Show Stopper:

After reading through all this I have come to a few conclusions.
Please note, that I can only speak from the USA side of laws as I do not know what other contries do/do not permit. Please keep this in mind.

1.) I've read a few posts saying things such as "So what if a kid wants to make a few extra bucks doing etc.." Well I consider 15 and under a "kiddy" Thus they are not LEGALLY allowed to conduct business or work for that matter, whether they want to or not, there are child labor laws against that. So by condoning them in any way you condone the actions of illegal activity. Now of course someones going to pop in and say what about kids mowing lawns etc.. If you REALLY want to get technical about it thats illegal as well. And I can almost give you a 100% guarantee that since kids 15 and under don't file taxes, they are not claiming this income, thus evading taxes, which is another law that is being broken.

2.) The merchants, They are as much at fault as the kids themselves, By not doing the proper checks on things, Is like a regular business employing someone underage and underthe table thus putting the possibility of a person of legal age to hold that job

3.) The Veterans! We unfortunatley are stuck in the day. The day where computers/hosting/designing where considered a highly "technical" job. Why are we stuck in it? Because we still know people in our personal lives which know absolutly nothing about computers, and that makes us feel like computer gods, and that we have knowledge about these "technical" things. This is no longer the issue. The internet allows for alot higher number of people to "exist in one place" And because of the changing times, 12,13,14,15 year olds now possess the same/close to the same/ or more knowledge than us. Making the "technical" jobs that we believe we hold, not so technical anymore. Thus devaluing them drastically.

You say yes, there are millions of clients out there,(and there are) and that you just have to provide a "better" service than the kiddies to stay afloat, to succeed in business you are kidding yourself. These clients only entered the market in the first place because the low prices existed. Lets rewind say 10 years, How much did a professional site design cost for the "average joe" In the thousands eaisly. The supply grew, the prices depriciated and the demand exploded to the point where quantity, not quality makes success.

Big companies? Forget them, It's just not going to happen, the supply that provides our service now is so great, its cheaper for them to hire a group of college grads and have them inhouse. Some companies have even learned a NEW method of devaluing the market even more. And thats by charging YOU to do work for them, yes you heard me correctly. Recently the NY Yankees said they would charge NY Interactive 1 million to allow them to do their site. And the can get away with this because these businesses KNOW that if you have them in your portfolio it will help you immensly.

This is alot so far, and my brain just went blank. When responding please ask before you bash, it is 4:00am and I haven't slept yet.

ToOnZ · (#16 (**permalink**))

Indeed. Reseller accounts are going for crazily cheap prices nowadays. Hosts should really think over the pricing properly. If it took $50/month more to get a reseller account, i'd bet most people without a good business plan would quit

knux · (#17 (**permalink**))

You cant just say kiddies, because some stupid ones ruin it for the rest of us then. I have never undersold any of my work, and bought from an oversell of host or domain, or anything for that matter. Its common sence if they are paying for a server, and they are giving out unbeliveable deals, they are overselling, and are on horible servers.

*note i only read the first page

Ryan

xyphen · (#18 (**permalink**))

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Originally Posted by ub3r

I'll make this short, with a pinch of sweet mixed in with bitter

With cpanel came server adminsitration at the click of the mouse, with that came teenagers who know nothing about business and or how to manage a server, with not knowing how to manage a business came overselling, with gross-overselling came outrageous offers like 2gb space 200gb bandwidth / $10/month .

Not much we can do about it now, i just thought i would share my opinion with you .

I disagree with that, how can it be cPanel's fault? They are just trying to provide the best possible features for their product.